Vengeance, Vengeance, Vengeance. In Heroic ICC-25, my threat is very low at the start of a pull, compared to what it was prior to 4.0. However, once Vengeance starts stacking, it goes through the roof and stays there. And then, often, it climbs even higher. Once I'm a little bit into an encounter as the boss tank, 20k TPS feels "low" and spikes are frequently above 50k. http://bit.ly/ehT7QM

Most of the things I already said on my original post but heres some clarifications.

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It's not you, our Icc tank has been saying agro isn't what it used to be, my guess is with patch 4.01 changing the way damage came out and the way agro works for tanks its been an issue across the board. I would assume once everyone gets to 85 it will all become much more manageable, Not so say it will be the old pally style, of a consecration and some ret aura to do the job. But I would think if your on one target doing your rotation you should be able to hold agro. But it could be that dps just has to throttle some. The days of no thinking wow are coming to an end!
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Wow, grandpa. Tell us more about how when you were younger, it was the cool thing to say 'First' on an Internet thread. It's so fascinating. The time you lived in must've been really cool."

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It's awesome how we get to go back to the days of BC when warriors were basically told to piss off because they didn't have CC. I remember when it was near impossible to get a MT run because NOBODY wanted warriors and they just had to carry 3 CC classes.

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